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-title = "FreeBSD on the Desktop won't improvide unless people are using it"
-author = ["Michał Sapka"]
-date = 2023-03-29T22:09:00+02:00
-categories = ["bsd"]
-draft = false
-weight = 2002
-abstract = "I have hits from /r/bsd, but almost none of those people are using BSD"
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-    identifier = "freebsd-on-the-desktop-won-t-improvide-unless-people-are-using-it"
-    name = "Desktop FreeBSD won't improve unless people are using it"
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-Shamelessly, I posted my previous post, [FreeBSD on a Thinkpad Extreme G2](https://d-s.sh/2023/freebsd-on-thinkpad-x1-extreme-g2/) on [/r/bsd Reddit](https://www.reddit.com/r/BSD/comments/124v5cm/freebsd_on_a_thinkpad_x1_extreme_g2/).
-
-The result, some 24 hours later, is 100 visitors.
-Out of that 100, 57 are using a desktop.
-Out of that 57, only 2 used FreeBSD—2%. No other BSDs are recorded.
-
-People who are into BSD don't use BSD.
-This seems to be a reason for lacking hardware support.
-If no one uses FreeBSD, no one will encounter those problems. If no one encounters them, no one will fix them.
-
-
-## Update 2023-04-14 {#update-2023-04-14}
-
-The article, got quite the round around the internets, gathering some interests from [Reddit](https://old.reddit.com/r/freebsd/comments/126fvkz/desktop_freebsd_wont_improve_unless_people_are/), [Hacker News](<https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35378367>), Twitter, Discover BSD, or [Vermaden](https://vermaden.wordpress.com/2023/04/03/valuable-news-2023-04-03/).
-With all that interest come quite a few questions and comments.
-The following is an attempt to summarize it all.
-
-
-### People who use FreeBSD don't care about FreeBSD hardware {#people-who-use-freebsd-don-t-care-about-freebsd-hardware}
-
-This makes perfect sense.
-If your FreeBSD installation on X220 works flawlessly, you may not care about anything more modern.
-But there will come a time when you will need to replace the hardware.
-
-{{< img-r "freebsd-beastie.png" >}}
-FreeBSD Beastie
-{{< /img-r >}}
-
-This comment, however, came as a proof that the sample from my blog is invalid.
-This may be the case, but I don't buy it.
-All traffic on the aforementioned post came from Reddit's BSD forum.
-It's the one place where you could expect that people using BSD would hang.
-It may also be that it's quite a random sample - it's small, and people who have yet to become into BSD but are BSD-curious opened my blog post.
-I am in no place to debunk or confirm this.
-I, however, know that many people presenting at FreeBSD conferences do it using Macs or Windows.
-So even if the numbers are dubious, the overall feeling remains sorrowful.
-
-To add to the above: there are also stats for the commented opinion piece.
-Two hundred forty-four people opened it from /r/freebsd.
-Of that, 24 people were using FreeBSD, and just 2 were using OpenBSD.
-
-
-### Your statistics may be invalid as people mask their browser agent. {#your-statistics-may-be-invalid-as-people-mask-their-browser-agent-dot}
-
-This also may be the case.
-Why, then, is the referer not spoofed?
-It's a much more invasive data point than the underlying OS.
-But I'm a simple Firefox user, never used Librewolf.
-
-
-### FreeBSD is a server OS {#freebsd-is-a-server-os}
-
-Yeah, this is the sentiment I've read before jumping aboard.
-My problem with this idea is that each and every FOSS OS is a value in itself.
-The current poster boy,
-Linux, also had huge problems getting to work on various machines.
-In my opinion, it's limiting OS to a single use case is a completely valid point - your use case for FreeBSD is on a server, and this is where it currently shines (or not, depending on your experience).
-Some folks despise allocating any FreeBSD dev time to the desktop as there are many server issues.
-
-But again, I don't see it this way.
-Limiting FreeBSD to the server only is short-lighted.
-Unless you are already powering your servers with BSD, there will always be a question: "Why not Linux. It's what everyone else is doing".
-And Linux got into its current position not by being a great server machine but rather by attracting the interest of some very skillful people.
-And it did it by allowing more and more people to free themselves from Windows on their machines.
-
-I see FreeBSD problems as having two primary causes: the [Unix wars](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_wars) of the past and limited resources now.
-If FreeBSD were easier to use on a wide range of end-user machines (which tend to be laptops), the easier it would for people to want to develop it.
-BSDs are now a far second choice.
-Why would someone invest time?
-They may fall in love with the OS, but unless they try it, it will never happen.
-
-
-### I like our small userbase {#i-like-our-small-userbase}
-
-I'm as elitist as the other person. [DWM](https://dwm.suckless.org/) stated that
-
-> "This keeps its userbase small and elitist.
-> No novices asking stupid questions.
-
-I can't find this quote anymore, but the sentiment seems similar.
-However, there are two aspects here.
-
-FreeBSD comes with no graphical interface by default.
-This makes it much closer to minimalist distros than Ubuntu.
-This still allows anyone to feel like a hacker.
-
-The second, however, is that some problems are unsolvable by end-user.
-Writing drivers is EXTREMELY difficult, and, as I've recently learned (thanks, Jeff!), this is especially true when it comes to WiFi drivers, as there is no open implementation.
-This means that any progress requires a trial-and-error process based on reverse engineering.
-No one without deep knowledge of low-level programming will be able to make any progress, and even those few will need people with real hardware for testing.
-
-
-### Hardware support is years behind Linux {#hardware-support-is-years-behind-linux}
-
-Yes, and this is what I was referring to.
-
-
-### Why would anyone use BSD on a desktop? {#why-would-anyone-use-bsd-on-a-desktop}
-
-It's a great system, just needs a lot of work on hardware support :-)
-
-
-### Your post is worthless, and only the comments are interesting {#your-post-is-worthless-and-only-the-comments-are-interesting}
-
-It's more than I anticipated. That post was small and written without any deeper research. But the discussion around it makes me believe that I hit something real.